Legislature(2011 - 2012)CAPITOL 106

03/15/2011 03:00 PM House HEALTH & SOCIAL SERVICES


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* first hearing in first committee of referral
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= bill was previously heard/scheduled
+= HB 1 POLICY FOR SECURING HEALTH CARE SERVICES TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSHB 1(HSS) Out of Committee
+= HB 78 INCENTIVES FOR CERTAIN MEDICAL PROVIDERS TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
+= HCR 5 VITAMIN D SUPPLEMENTS TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSHCR 5(HSS) Out of Committee
         HB 1-POLICY FOR SECURING HEALTH CARE SERVICES                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:04:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR KELLER announced that the  first order of business would be                                                               
HOUSE BILL NO.  1, "An Act stating a public  policy that allows a                                                               
person  to choose  or decline  any mode  of securing  health care                                                               
services."                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CARL GATTO, Alaska  State Legislature, stated that                                                               
HB 1  was "a  bill about  liberty, as much  as it's  about health                                                               
care.    Health care  is  simply  the  vehicle to  describe  what                                                               
liberties we  may or may [not]  be losing."  He  established that                                                               
HB 1 declared  that the government cannot force  an individual to                                                               
make a purchase  without their consent.  He opined  that this was                                                               
the  first  time  in  United  States  history  that  the  federal                                                               
government  had attempted  to  place  a tax  on  inactivity.   He                                                               
assessed that this  was a question of the liberty  to choose.  He                                                               
argued that the  commerce clause [Article 1, Section  8, Clause 3                                                               
of  the  U.S.  Constitution]  should   not  be  used  to  tax  an                                                               
individual for not  doing something.  He offered  his belief that                                                               
"citizens cannot  be compelled  by the  government to  purchase a                                                               
product that they don't want to purchase."                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:07:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MILLER  asked to  clarify that  HB 1  would exempt                                                               
Alaskans from  a federal  mandate, but that  the State  of Alaska                                                               
could still mandate requirements for Alaskans.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:08:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GATTO  replied that  the  gist  of the  bill  was                                                               
focused on a response to  the federal government declaring states                                                               
rights.   He  directed attention  to page  1, lines  12-14, which                                                               
read:                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     (1) does not apply to health care services provided or                                                                     
     required by the state, a political subdivision of the                                                                      
     state, or a court of the state; and                                                                                        
       (2) may not impair a contract right that provides                                                                        
     health care services.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
He asked if that answered Representative Miller's question.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:09:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DICK expressed his agreement  with HB 1 and stated                                                               
that  this  was a  precedent  for  taxation  on inactivity.    He                                                               
declared "if  we aren't very  loud and  very firm, very  clear on                                                               
this,  we're  going to  get  steamrolled  down  the road  on  all                                                               
concerns."                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:09:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GATTO offered  some examples  that reflected  his                                                               
fear for a requirement to buy  health care that you did not want.                                                               
He  announced  that  "this  will  send a  message  that  will  be                                                               
collected with  other messages  that will  ultimately, hopefully,                                                               
go  to the  courts,  because  this is  really  the Supreme  Court                                                               
decision, more than anything else."                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:10:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DICK  addressed his concern for  the deferred cost                                                               
to future generations of payment  for the uninsured by those with                                                               
insurance.   He declared:  "I  don't think this really  has to do                                                               
with  health care  at all.   I  think this  has to  do with  just                                                               
gathering information on U.S. citizens."                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GATTO  cited that  the health  care system  in the                                                               
United States was the best, but  that "we're just paying too much                                                               
to have  them treated."   He assessed  that health  care problems                                                               
could be fixed,  but that the federal health care  bill was not a                                                               
fix.  He  stated his approval for the private  sector to maintain                                                               
control of the health care system.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:13:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON moved  to  adopt Amendment  1, which  read                                                               
[original punctuation provided]:                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Page 2, Line 9:  following "charge [.]                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
      Insert:  ";however, liability for the cost of health                                                                    
     services is not a penalty."                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:13:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR KELLER objected for discussion.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   SEATON  established   the  intent   of  proposed                                                               
Amendment  1 to  be a  reminder  that the  liability for  medical                                                               
payments  was not  a penalty  that could  be declined  because of                                                               
proposed HB 1.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:14:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR KELLER opined  that proposed Amendment 1  would create more                                                               
problems.  He  offered his belief that the word  "charge" on page                                                               
2, line  9 of the  bill was understandable  and intuited to  be a                                                               
fee for  services rendered; therefore,  proposed Amendment  1 was                                                               
unnecessary.   He  expressed concern  that  proposed Amendment  1                                                               
would occasion that another section  of law pertaining to payment                                                               
could  be subject  to  question unless  it,  too, contained  this                                                               
clarification.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:15:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON  indicated   the  need  for  clarification                                                               
because of specific language on page  1 [line 9] of the bill that                                                               
"a  person  has the  right  to  choose  or  decline any  mode  of                                                               
obtaining health  care services without penalty..."   He declared                                                               
the need  for clarity that this  bill language did not  include a                                                               
release of liability for medical expenses.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:16:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR KELLER asked  if proposed Amendment 1 had  been reviewed by                                                               
Legislative Legal and Research Services.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON replied that he  had offered it to the bill                                                               
sponsor as  a conceptual amendment  to be drafted  by Legislative                                                               
Legal and Research Services.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:17:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  KELLER removed  his  objection.   There  being no  further                                                               
objection, Amendment 1 was passed.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:17:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON  moved to report  HB 1, as amended,  out of                                                               
committee  with  individual  recommendations.    There  being  no                                                               
objection, CSHB  1(HSS) was  reported from  the House  Health and                                                               
Social Services Standing Committee.                                                                                             

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
CS HCR 5.pdf HHSS 3/15/2011 3:00:00 PM